In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:24:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sally@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I thought the competition at the national was for the winners to compete for the big title not for what was considered 2nd best by the judge who sent them on. Sally points out what might be the problem. Is the Futurity just a competition at the national? If the intent is just to win, then she might be right. I thought the Futurity was to showcase the breeders, and to show what is being produced. If it is just another competition, let's get rid of it, and let them all compete at the show. In the process we can eliminate the Red Book, since it then would serve no purpose. Now we can shorten the time for the National, and gain all that extra time and work for other things. I guess it depends on why we hold the Futurity? Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================