Unfortunately, I think that as a general rule, established dog people have a rather poor reputation with many of the newbies. It isn't just GSD that seem to have folks that complain about the lack of compassion or mentorship. It seems to be an issue in many other breeds as well. Just two comments - we as the ambassadors for our breeds do need to take new and excited people under our wings - that's what helps this sport grow and succeed - that especially goes for Junior handlers... If you have a local junior, support them - stay and cheer for them and if they don't have a very good dog for Juniors - offer to co-own a better dog for juniors. Let them train your puppies (nothing beats a junior for patience when it comes to training).. And a comment for the newbies - find established successful people that you are comfortable with. Ask questions, LISTEN to the answers - don't think you know everything. I think know-it-alls are the reason established breeders get frustrated with newbies. Don't gossip - don't say "so and so told me this, blah blah blah"... Many breeders find that offensive. Listen to what they all have to say :-) And even as an experienced person, you can still learn... And remember, our sport lives on newbies...Help a newbie, help the sport. Jess Mac Paisley Dals & The Shepherd Girls _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================