[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
- From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx>
- To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx, grnram415@xxxxxxx, denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:30:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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Personally, I think room could be made for the long coats. There are oth=
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herding breeds with flat and long, shown separately. My friend with her
long coated collie has her in the bush with her and snow in the winter an=
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you don't hear her squawking. She loves her time with her dog and beams =
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how she looks so beautiful.=0D
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Working, Herding Groups with long coats, plenty of them. =0D
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For many of us, our dogs are show dogs, anyway. What's a little more dry=
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and fluffing up? Don't want the work, choose the stock haired dog. No
difference to those Breeders with the division in their breed, just
preference.=0D
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Kate=0D
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From: Carolyn Martello=0D
Date: 6/5/2008 11:16:54 AM=0D
To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx; grnram415@xxxxxxx; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx;=20
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Everything is minor until you have a problem with it. <G>=0D
Try getting the velcro stickers or fox tails out of a silky coat when=0D
you've had it out herding or working in a field or in Search and Rescue=0D
dog in a disaster setting.=0D
Also try drying and getting out the snow balls that has frozen to the hai=
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of an avalance dog. Let a blind person try to deal with any of it.=0D
Incorrect coats do not repel water but the harsh double coat will. Two=0D
shakes and they're almost dry....<G>=0D
It's all a fault for a reason is all I'm saying. It's a Standard for a
working,=0D
herding, service dog. It's really NOT about personal taste.=0D
The only one I can't see a reason for other than appearances is the light
eye........?=0D
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I love our Standard and our Breed...... { :o)=0D
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Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0D
www.Marhaven.com=0D
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From: Norma Ramey=0D
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; grnram415@xxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx =
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:01 AM=0D
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV=0D
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Carolyn has brought up some goodies - but - the differences (small IMHO=
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the actual=0D
coat coarseness, fine silkiness, length, etc. really are minor differen=
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Like so many=0D
other things, individual tastes prevail anyway. I learned in studying =
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animal encyclopedia=0D
as as a young Whippersnapper that the Poodle coat & clips were importan=
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what they=0D
originally did. (A German breed, BTW; hunt and retrieve)! The sticker=
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foxtails etc.=0D
would only adhere to the outer protective fur and not the dog as in a
short=0D
coated one)=0D
Also, the thickness repelled the water easily. I feel more is better, =
but=0D
thatsa me and the=0D
fantastic undercoat of our GSDs truly IS an insulation to heat & cold
times.=0D
Norma no L=0D
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From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=0D
To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxx=
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:08 AM=0D
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV=0D
It is a "fault".....no matter how awesome their structure...but so are
soft=0D
coats & open coats.=0D
There are different types of long coats......but they are still=0D
"coats"......and they are all a=0D
problem when you live in the Country where there are stickers, fox tail=
s,
a=0D
lot of dirt, or=0D
out in the field herding and working. Even snow balls up on their co=
ats=0D
and sticks.=0D
We've all had 'coats' that are really nice....but I wouldn't show=0D
one........too much effort just=0D
to get a good dog or a great dog shown without wasting time and money =
on
a=0D
coated one.=0D
You can already show them at AKC shows as long as they are not trimmed.=
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They are mentioned in our Standard........and considered a fault of the=
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coat! <G>.=0D
Why change now?=0D
The GSDCA, Inc. doesn't decide what we can show or not show.=0D
If you have an AKC registered dog you can show it......it can even have=
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disqualifying=0D
faults....( it's your entry fee to throw away ) you just will either
lose=0D
or be disqualified. <G>=0D
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I sure hope we don't start tinkering with our Standard to fit coat faul=
ts?=0D
We have a great=0D
Breed......and a great Breed Standard. Why would we want to start=0D
splitting it into varities=0D
of coats and colors and light eyes, and dark eyes, and blacks and sable=
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etc.=0D
This is a working / herding breed and there is a definite reason a long
coat=0D
is not desired.=0D
Though a beautiful Breed ( as long as we stay vigilant ) .our Standar=
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addresses the best=0D
qualities for easy maintenance and all aspects of a working dog, servic=
e
dog=0D
and a herding=0D
dog ( again, as long as we stay vigilant ) whether it is the coat, th=
e=0D
feet or even the long=0D
saber tail for balance.=0D
JMO=0D
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0D
www.Marhaven.com=0D
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