[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
- From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
- To: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, gsdramey@xxxxxxx, GrnRam415@xxxxxxx, denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:56:54 EDT
I don't understand what the problem is. If the SV does accept the "stock
coat" now into the system, whats' the big deal? The coat gene is very simple
and easy to control in a breeding program. The worst problem is that usually
the best structured puppy in the litter is the long coat and most judges will
not award it the points. Pick your best puppy based on structure, if it is
a long coat just breed her to a male that does not carry the gene for the
long coats.
JMO,
Mary
In a message dated 6/5/2008 3:07:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Carolyn & Norma No L, The long *stock* coat is not a problem as the outer
coat is *not* silky. It is the same coarse texture as that found on a
normal coated dog. Also, a dog with a stock coat does have an undercoat.
This is the definition of a stock coat.
I'm betting most people on this list have not come in contact with a true
long stock-coated dog. Having owned German & German crosses for a long
time, I've known many such dogs and their hardiness has been "field tested."
In case you guys missed my earlier post on this subject, I've included it
below. BTW, I'm *not* advocating the approval of the true long coat for
just the reasons Carolyn mentioned. Anyhow, here's what I wrote in that
post...
I wish the long stock coat would be accepted by our Standard and not
considered a fault. I have owned both the true long coat, i.e. soft, silky
outer coat & no undercoat and the long stock coat. The long stock coat is
exactly like the standard coat - coarse outer coat with the typical
undercoat. Only longer.
My dog with the true long coat had skin problems. He was harder to dry, but
the main problem was that silky outer coat. It seemed to pick up dust like
one of those magnetic dust mops, and everything got tangled up in his coat.
Burrs, leaves, twigs, you name it! Burrs were the worse because they had to
be cut out. We live in the woods, so I don't ever want to own another true
long coat.
My long stock coat experienced none of these problems, and would have no
trouble doing field work. Plus, a dog with a long stock coat is often
*very* pleasing to the eye.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gsdramey@xxxxxxx>; <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Everything is minor until you have a problem with it. <G>
Try getting the velcro stickers or fox tails out of a silky coat when
you've had it out herding or working in a field or in Search and Rescue
dog in a disaster setting.
Also try drying and getting out the snow balls that has frozen to the hair
of an avalance dog. Let a blind person try to deal with any of it.
Incorrect coats do not repel water but the harsh double coat will. Two
shakes and they're almost dry....<G>
It's all a fault for a reason is all I'm saying. It's a Standard for a
working,
herding, service dog. It's really NOT about personal taste.
The only one I can't see a reason for other than appearances is the light
eye........?
I love our Standard and our Breed...... { :o)
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma Ramey
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; grnram415@xxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx ;
showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Carolyn has brought up some goodies - but - the differences (small IMHO)
in
the actual
coat coarseness, fine silkiness, length, etc. really are minor
differences.
Like so many
other things, individual tastes prevail anyway. I learned in studying an
animal encyclopedia
as as a young Whippersnapper that the Poodle coat & clips were important
for
what they
originally did. (A German breed, BTW; hunt and retrieve)! The stickers &
foxtails etc.
would only adhere to the outer protective fur and not the dog as in a
short
coated one)
Also, the thickness repelled the water easily. I feel more is better, but
thatsa me and the
fantastic undercoat of our GSDs truly IS an insulation to heat & cold
times.
Norma no L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
It is a "fault".....no matter how awesome their structure...but so are
soft
coats & open coats.
There are different types of long coats......but they are still
"coats"......and they are all a
problem when you live in the Country where there are stickers, fox tails,
a
lot of dirt, or
out in the field herding and working. Even snow balls up on their coats
and sticks.
We've all had 'coats' that are really nice....but I wouldn't show
one........too much effort just
to get a good dog or a great dog shown without wasting time and money on
a
coated one.
You can already show them at AKC shows as long as they are not trimmed.
They are mentioned in our Standard........and considered a fault of the
coat! <G>.
Why change now?
The GSDCA, Inc. doesn't decide what we can show or not show.
If you have an AKC registered dog you can show it......it can even have
disqualifying
faults....( it's your entry fee to throw away ) you just will either
lose
or be disqualified. <G>
I sure hope we don't start tinkering with our Standard to fit coat faults?
We have a great
Breed......and a great Breed Standard. Why would we want to start
splitting it into varities
of coats and colors and light eyes, and dark eyes, and blacks and sables
etc.
This is a working / herding breed and there is a definite reason a long
coat
is not desired.
Though a beautiful Breed ( as long as we stay vigilant ) .our Standard
addresses the best
qualities for easy maintenance and all aspects of a working dog, service
dog
and a herding
dog ( again, as long as we stay vigilant ) whether it is the coat, the
feet or even the long
saber tail for balance.
JMO
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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