In a message dated 6/7/2005 12:02:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tigra12@xxxxxxx writes: Nobody really takes a newbie "under their wing" anymore. i never had one either and had to learn the hard way...the only club in our area was an all breed club and i wanted to breed specialty type moving dogs....if we had someone to help us, it would NOT have taken us so long to get to this point of breeding quality animals and winning at the specialty shows....you have to have unyielding determination and a total commitment to the breed with a love for the German Shepherd Dog...our biggest help was watching the judges and learn what type they like and keep a record book ...next you have to pick the handler you like best for your animals and who they really try for while you are outside ring doubling....i am still learning today and still will Never learn it all....my husband has made many sacrifices for making my dream come true and i will always be grateful to him for his support...natalie CLOVERLEIFE HILL KENNELS http://www.cloverleife.com/ CH Cloverleife's Dimples, CH Cloverleife's Cappuccino, CH Carmil's Amadeus v Windywood ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================