Speaking of National videos and Photos; how long does it take before we = get videos and photos? I ordered the video at the National and it has been = about 3 weeks for the photo from Miguel. Just asking. Mike Gray -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Basu Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:13 PM To: d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: judges Dave Fritsche wrote: " I thought this years GV & GVX were exceptional examples of proper = motion in which the rear extended under the dog past the footprint of the front (over-step) or (over-reaching). " And this year's GVX handler was a great example of "underreach" as with = his bum left leg and extra 20lbs it is a wonder that his GVX was able to "overreach" <G>. Showed the Bob Lindsay video to my family on Thanksgiving, there was hilarious laughter as some of the comments were: " Dad you gotta lose weight" "Dad why is everyone else dressed nicely and you not" "Babe(my wife), you should really buy a jacket that isn't so small" " Really you're not that fat, but it must have been the camera" You get my drift. So i'm going to have my knee operation next week and = after that no food for 4 weeks(yeah right). Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: David Fritsche <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:24:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] judges > So, let's start there, Pam. What do you mean by over-reach ? Respectfully, > Carolyn I thought the discussion on "over-reaching" had to do with the driving under of the rear "over-reaching" the rear follow-through of the front = on its rearward completion. If we propose that the smooth transition of = power is acheived by each of the leg assemblies, front and rear, achieving the maximum thrust from the length of the pendullum swing, then there is no such thing as to extreme in "over-reaching." - Although I admit we may = be discussing different things and I am only missing the point one more = time! <G> There is a loss of efficiency when the rear does not contact the ground = on the rearward motion and kicks up into the air. Follow-through is one thing, wasted motion is another. The same with the front that reaches = its forward extension at a point above the ground and has to bring that foot down to contact the ground (wasted motion - usually from a shoulder that does not open completely) (Lifty). I personally do not like the term "extreme" very well in that it is too often used to express what is proper transmission of power, and thus to justify that which is 'less than' to the standard. But all of that is = the subjective use of the term. What is not subjective is any wasted motion = or lack of the proper extension of both front and rear appendages. I thought this years GV & GVX were exceptional examples of proper motion in which the rear extended under the dog past the footprint of the front (over-step) or (over-reaching). I only hope that my opinion on this is what the standard calls for. If = not than my opinion is changable - the standard is not! <G> Dave =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the = original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of = any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND = of the Showgsd-l Management. 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