I normally just lurk but I looked at the videos and had to speak up. All the german show dogs in the videos had roach backs which is very incorrect no matter whose standard you go by. Beth Andrews and her working line GSD's ________________________________ From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, June 23, 2012 11:48:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: fronts "videos of GSD movement reason... conformation" Carolyn, great post... horse conformation can vary due to breed. I always preferred the look of some of the old lines of GSD. I could not find any American Show GSD videos that did not include GSD's with handles or owners to post so these videos are German GSD's. Do you are anyone else know of any GSD videos like these of our AKC or Speciality Show GSD's? GSD Movement in slow motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_z3fgk9bQw The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 1- Gait and Locomotion http://www.youtube.com/watch?vvZBT2OVTPQ The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 2- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfgtBHwE7es The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 3- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v·jxS1hYOiI The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 3- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w7Q5Qex0IQ Dingo vom Haus Gero, The Best Mover - Poetry in Motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPJPE9oNN7A Theresa On Sat, 6/23/12, carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Our standard is very good - except in the area of the front. About the shoulder it states only that "the shoulder blades are long and obliquely angled, laid on flat and NOT PLACED FORWARD. (emphases mine) The upper arm joins the shoulder blade at about a right angle. " Most of us do adhere to the belief that the blade should be laid back to about 45% to the ground. Now, if one knows anything at all about physics and applies this to the "upper arm joins the shoulder blade at about a right angle ", this would put the upper arm at 45% to the ground also, certainly not perpendicular as so many of our winners are. It would also put the elbow directly beneath the top of the blade, not below the center of the chest. A dog, or a horse for that matter, must "stand over himself". The head should be well before the shoulder to balance an animal where 65% of his weight is in the front. Thus the forelegs must be under this weight, not pushed forward under the neck. There have been numerous complaints recently about the judges awarding dogs on their extreme fronts. Yes, they are extreme, but not correctly so. The reach is false; reach is measured by where the foot touches the ground to take up the thrust of the rear, not by how far ahead of the dog that foot can go BEFORE touching the ground. The rear foot must reach far under the dog to begin the thrust that provides the forward motion. Notice that forward reach in the rear is lacking when the front is pushed forward . I hope our illustrated standard will provide explanation that the written standard lacks. Carolyn ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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