What hit me watching this video of these dogs is that they have been entered with not a lick of training on them. One poor dog is crouching down and the handler has to haul him around .. None of these dogs knew why there were there, none were using themselves, lets face it, they were looking for ways to escape. And, to me.. they looked very young. Short upper arms are pretty much established and so is the twisting of the hock. Pacing, I believe, is a gait that is very easy for a dog to do that is generally still growing, but the flags are there that it's conformation is lacking... so why show when you know you haven't a chance and you know everyone will remember the upset? Not to mention the general public who will be horrified to see this and blame all Breeders. AAACK!! Kate @ Rockannand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica MacMillan" <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx Cc: agray40366@xxxxxxx, "scenecrest geo" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:32:22 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: fronts "videos of GSD movement reason... conformation" > From: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx > Boy, I so disagree with that. A few of my GSDs were actually too long > in the loin, and the pacing came down from one bitch and into the next > generation. I had to learn how to break their pacing when starting > them out in the ring. Another (Miss you, Moxie!) bitch's progeny > never paced, and they were all shorter in the loin. In a typical world, pacing is USUALLY related to dogs with short backs and long legs or dogs with too much rear, not enough shoulder and too short of back. There are certainly other reasons for a dog to pace - it is a comfortable gait for a dog who has some issue in his stride that keeps him for trotting or walking normally. Watch any normal shaped breed and you will see the trend in pacing - it goes with a typical structural look. Jessica MacMillan No Frills Dog Bathing Service & Design Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) & Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC, the Shepherd Girl Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC Manager of: The Dalmatian Stud Dog List on Facebook The German Shepherd Stud Dog List on Facebook > From: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx > Boy, I so disagree with that. A few of my GSDs were actually too long > in the loin, and the pacing came down from one bitch and into the next > generation. I had to learn how to break their pacing when starting > them out in the ring. Another (Miss you, Moxie!) bitch's progeny > never paced, and they were all shorter in the loin. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================