Beth, the reason I did not put up the American GSD's was the sites were not to fault the GSD's since I didn't want anyone to feel I chose them for a reason. I wanted to others opinion on the conformation that was explained in the videos to see if they agreed. I notice you mention GSD working lines? Do you have a website? Your right roached backs are not desirable in any GSD. I grew up with GSD's that did not have the faults they do today. American or German they should be correct in their movement and conformation. Correct conformation is very important to me and should be to others but if a person is not sure of what to look for how do they know what is right? Having been a breeders of horses for over 45 years I know how conformation can affect movement. I own trotting horses not pacers so would not want to own a horse that can't trot and move correct for their breed. In a horse they will become lame and it is a long walk home or embarrassment if you are in the ring. Theresa On Sat, 6/23/12, Beth Andrews <gsdbeth@xxxxxxx> wrote: I normally just lurk but I looked at the videos and had to speak up. All the german show dogs in the videos had roach backs which is very incorrect no matter whose standard you go by. Beth Andrews and her working line GSD's ________________________________ From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, June 23, 2012 11:48:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: fronts "videos of GSD movement reason... conformation" I could not find any American Show GSD videos that did not include GSD's with handles or owners to post so these videos are German GSD's. Do you are anyone else know of any GSD videos like these of our AKC or Speciality Show GSD's? GSD Movement in slow motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_z3fgk9bQw The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 1- Gait and Locomotion http://www.youtube.com/watch?vvZBT2OVTPQ The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 2- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfgtBHwE7es The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 3- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v·jxS1hYOiI The German Shepherd Dog the German Way 3- Structure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w7Q5Qex0IQ Dingo vom Haus Gero, The Best Mover - Poetry in Motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPJPE9oNN7A Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================