Hmmmm... I have a Sch1 bitch with a UCH (my best Therapy Dog too!) who fought back when a stray dog came into the yard and instigated a fight: it's not the teaching a dog to bite that counts- it's the control they learn how either a)not to bite or b) to stop when commanded. I don't know what was wrong with that animal; it was 2/3 the size and probably wouldn't have run off to never return had she not been taught how to NOT bite and return to me as her handler if y'all feel what I'm saying. When a dog has the natural propensity to bite, it is the responsibility of its owner to teach them to control their drives & mouth. Schutzhund is an excellent outlet to do so, even just going to the IPO/SchH1 level. The obedience training is more rigorous than say, an AKC CD, plus there's the equivalent of a TD in tracking thrown in there too. Oh, and I'm a person with tattoos & piercing and have had a UKC Top Ten All Breed dog in conformation plus I show in other performance sports as well. Piercings are just like extra jewelry these days to the greater number. Though it is odd to see someone wearing a suit/dress & piercings to more than a few for the first time too. LOL Just my take- Jen P & the Pack JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/Proud K911 www.jaydeesphs.com Committed to the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!! AKC Breeder of Merit On Sep 13, 2013, at 15:11, "Norma Ramey" <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> wrote: > NO -- the REAL Norma said exactly what I have felt and believed for many > years. > She is so right --- talking ONLY about one part of that venue - BITE WORK - > is > the ONLY part that I am also unhappy with. Think about it, WHY would you > WANT to teach a dog to BITE people - unless it would be for work with cops > or > stuff like that? I do NOT consider that SPORT! The rest of their training > stuff is > OK. However, as Stormy says concerning our list rules, this is NOT food > for > thought big time with our great conformation information, but, as usual, Da > List > goes beyond the call of duty!!! Norma no L > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Tank" <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "showgsd gsd" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:13 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: dogs that have done it all in the last ten years > > > Wow, pretty judgemental. Who else don't you like, Norma? Normally your > posts are very intelligent. This one is ignorant. > Ken > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM, <nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> lets see theres helen gleasons gator and julie degens bitch. i am sure >> both of them know the others.helen invited me to attend schutzhund >> training >> on her property a few years back. i watched but its not really my thing. i >> think it goes along with that current in your face agression that is so >> popular with some younger people. i think it goes along with bad manners >> tatoos nose rings and a lack of respect popularized by internet and other >> media. very adolescent. its one way of making money during a depressed >> economy but after seeing a HUnt Truck parked right near my post office i >> think they are not far removed from the same thing. Cock fighting Bull >> fighting and dog fighting are illegal in this country so schutzhund lets >> out the aggression legally. in new york state it is illegal for anyone not >> licensed by the state to train dogs in bite work and i am glad that it is. >> -- >> norma hansburg >> www.normahansburg.com >> >> ===========================================================================> > > ===========================================================================> > POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any > kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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