[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science

  • From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>, "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:06:04 -0800 (PST)

It would encourage their breeders to follow in your footsteps, and the GSDCA 
would be hard pressed to come up with an argument for allowing you and not 
allowing them.  They would use the same DNA argument that you use.  It is a 
slippery slope.  That is why this decision is dangerous.  I am just saying 
that changing either the Standard or the Mission Statement promoting the 
Standard should require a vote of the membership.  I am willing to abide by 
the outcome of such a vote.  Are you?  Or would you rather try to sway a 
small group of people at a Board meeting?


Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
www.riverrockgermanshepherds.com 
Home of Multiple Group Winner  GCH RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie) HSAs 
RN BN
Group Winner Ch. RiverRock's Straight From The Heart HSAsd
and the new kid RiverRock's One Fine Day


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> From: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>
>To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
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>If the white DQ is taken out, how would this encourage those rare off-color 
>dogs to be shown?   The nose and lip pigment is not black on most of those 
>rare off colored dogs, so removing the white DQ has nothing to with someone 
>wanting to show a liver colored GSD.   The nose and lip pigment on a  liver 
>is not black.  The nose and lip color on a blue is not black.    
>
>Those rare colors can't be shown regardless of the white being allowed in the 
>show ring or not.  And, whites without black noses and lips would not be 
>allowed.
>
> 
>Barb Hively - PA 
>DNA.  It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd  
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: barbara17236 <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:34 pm
>Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
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>As I said, they all participate in shows.  That gives them motivation to have 
>the Breed Standard changed so that they can show everything that they breed 
>anywhere that they want to.  Our Breed Standard and Mission Statement need 
>to either be protected as they are or changed.  I am trying to make two 
>points here:  (1) The GSDCA membership needs to be informed of all of the 
>possible ramifications of any proposed changes to either the Breed Standard or 
>the Mission Statement (which currently includes promoting the Breed Standard 
>in presenting Awards of Merit), and (2) Any changes in the Breed Standard 
>and/or the Mission Statement should require a vote by the membership.  They 
>should certainly not be decided at a Board meeting with a special interest 
>group in attendance.  
>
>
>Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
>www.riverrockgermanshepherds.com  
>Home of Multiple Group Winner  GCH RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie) HSAs 
>RN BN 
>Group Winner Ch. RiverRock's Straight From The Heart HSAsd 
>and the new kid RiverRock's One Fine Day 
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>
>>To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
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>>NOT WGSDCA or WGSDCII  shows.  It is the WGSDCA and WGSDCII who want to 
>>stay as GSDs and not a separate breed.     Kerstone Shepherds has shown 
>>with the WGSDCA  in the past. 
>>
>>And, I believe they can't show most of those off colors, because nose and lip 
>>color aren't black, in UKC either.  They may show their whites in UKC but 
>>not some of those rare colors.
>>
>> 
>>Barb Hively - PA 
>>DNA.  It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd  
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: barbara17236 <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>; marhaven <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
>>Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:53 pm
>>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
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>>If you look at the websites that Carolyn sent on white breeders who also 
>>produce 
off colors, you will see that every single one of them participates in 
shows!�  Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockgermanshepherds.com� Home of 
Multiple Group Winner �GCH RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie) HSAs RN 
BN
Group Winner Ch. RiverRock's Straight From The Heart HSAsd
and the new kid RiverRock's One Fine Day >________________________________
> From: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>
>To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Tuesday, February 
>28, 2012 11:21 AM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
>  
>I breed whites� and I don;t breed "rare" off-colors.�  Donna (Pharaoh 
>Revenge) 
breeds whites and not rare off colors.�  Rose Ingram (WGSDCII President) 
breeds 
whites and not rare off-colors.� Anne Utter (President WGSDCA) use to breed 
whites and not rare off-colors.� 
>
>The people who breed the whites and off rare-colors do not compete at WGSDCII 
or WGSDCA shows (except for 1 breeder in KS).�  There will always be rare 
off-color breeders in every AKC breed out there.� � And, most of those rare 
off-color BYBs (don;t health test, show, etc) got whites by accident from those 
rare off-color breedings, or from another rare off-color breeder.
>
>And, don;t get me started on what breeders of this or that color have done to 
the GSD breed in general.� 
>
>The colors are NOT the problem.� The "bad" breeders are the problem.�  
>Every 
GSD color has 'bad" breeders.�  $$$ rule the world and that is why 
puppymillers 
and BYBs will never be stopped.
>
>
>
>
>
>Barb Hively - PA
>DNA.� It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: pharaohsrevenge <pharaohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l 
<Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:26 am
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science
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>The one single consistency you will notice on every single one of those "rare"
>ff color breeders� is that they ALL breed whites!!
>HAT is my problem with whites.� � I've said it before.......it is not the 
>white  >ogs that
>s the problem.......it is what people that breed them do.�  People don't 
>hange!
>
>arolyn� � marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >ww.Marhaven.com >
>From: Pharaohsrevenge To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 
>012 6:28 AM
>ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] It's not rocket science
>The "real" white GSD breeders do not believe in promoting pandas, livers, etc. 
>here are bad breeders in every breed. Trying to pin the actions of these 
>reeders on whites is ludicrous. Your reasoning of separating the whites 
>ouldn't stop the breedings of pandas, livers, etc. 
>breed whites. I also breed sables and black and tans and participate in AKC 
>hows with those dogs. I bred the only AKC and canadian CH with a white parent. 
>our generalization of white breeders is wrong. There are many of us trying to 
>reserve an integral part of the GSD breed that was once not a DQ!
>Donna Beadle
>ww.eclipsekennels.com >
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