I breed whites and I don;t breed "rare" off-colors. Donna (Pharaoh Revenge) breeds whites and not rare off colors. Rose Ingram (WGSDCII President) breeds whites and not rare off-colors. Anne Utter (President WGSDCA) use to breed whites and not rare off-colors. The people who breed the whites and off rare-colors do not compete at WGSDCII or WGSDCA shows (except for 1 breeder in KS). There will always be rare off-color breeders in every AKC breed out there. And, most of those rare off-color BYBs (don;t health test, show, etc) got whites by accident from those rare off-color breedings, or from another rare off-color breeder. And, don;t get me started on what breeders of this or that color have done to the GSD breed in general. The colors are NOT the problem. The "bad" breeders are the problem. Every GSD color has 'bad" breeders. $$$ rule the world and that is why puppymillers and BYBs will never be stopped. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: pharaohsrevenge <pharaohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 11:26 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: consistency......not rocket science The one single consistency you will notice on every single one of those "rare" ff color breeders is that they ALL breed whites!! HAT is my problem with whites. I've said it before.......it is not the white ogs that s the problem.......it is what people that breed them do. People don't hange! arolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ww.Marhaven.com From: Pharaohsrevenge To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 012 6:28 AM ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] It's not rocket science The "real" white GSD breeders do not believe in promoting pandas, livers, etc. here are bad breeders in every breed. Trying to pin the actions of these reeders on whites is ludicrous. Your reasoning of separating the whites ouldn't stop the breedings of pandas, livers, etc. breed whites. I also breed sables and black and tans and participate in AKC hows with those dogs. I bred the only AKC and canadian CH with a white parent. our generalization of white breeders is wrong. There are many of us trying to reserve an integral part of the GSD breed that was once not a DQ! Donna Beadle ww.eclipsekennels.com ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================