In a message dated 7/11/2006 9:01:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx writes: The all breed judge wouldn't even know what to do with an angulated dog, except put it at the end of the line. That's not true. I've taken angulated dogs (WHO WERE CLEAN COMING AND GOING) and won handily in the AB ring. Most of that winning was BTW under judges whose first breed wasn't a GSD, so you can't tell me there aren't plenty of AB judges who know movement. And, although you may not be familiar w/ my dogs, lets see...Scoop, Rolf, Moxie all RECENT GVs/GVXs had nice AB wins (Scoop and Rolf have Bests). There are many listers who have Selects with Group Placements and Wins and Bests. The all 'rounders can't judge 'em if you leave them home after all. Most will NOT put up ugly coming and/or going, overly large dogs, bad backs and most won't touch a dog with bad/splayed feet or one who is locked and/or dragging a rear. If you do your homework, you'll find plenty of all 'rounders to show to and in fact, you may find as I have that a mix keeps you "honest", remembering that the breed was meant, after all, to do a job and meant to be so much more than a dog who may be dripping in type but overdone at either end. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================