[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why weighted ballot should not be used/

  • From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: MASSTANA@xxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:46:38 -0800 (PST)

 I do not see what difference it makes what method we use, as under both 
systems, the WDA members can gather enough votes to get whom they want in to 
judge our National.
They have done it to us twice now and as members of the GSDCA it is their right.

Joan

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, MASSTANA@xxxxxxx <MASSTANA@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: MASSTANA@xxxxxxx <MASSTANA@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why weighted ballot should not be used/
To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 12:41 AM

I am curious.  Based on your example only 600 people voted for judge A, 627 
voted for judge B and 610 voted for judge C.  What is your point?  If more 
people vote for a particular judge then they generally win.  Obviously I have 
missed something.  
The single vote method works fine and gives us judges that we all seem to 
want.  Why some folks vote for some judges whom they have no knowledge of I
will 
not ever figure out.  Personally, I would not have known that Helen would do 
the breed survey approach in specials.  I had seen her judge several times over

the years and thought she did a good jobs at these shows.  Even received 
several nice wins.  So I voted for her, not first but she was one of the top 3.
 
Based on what evidently transpired in Texas, she will not get my vote in the 
future. 

Procedure in the ring is paramount.  I liked the old way some judges( I think 
it was Ed Barritt who started it) used to do.  After each individual exam the 
good group in one corner and the not as good group in the other corner.  Then 
move the not so good group several more times to be sure that you don't
miss 
anyone.  Then excuse.  Then do it again.  But since it is an AKC show and the 
AKC gives the judge relatively wide latitude and expects the judge to "run
the 
show the way they see fit" I guess we probably can't dictate
procedure.  Can 
we?  
John 


In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes:

> Below is an example of why the weighted ballot should not be  used>
> 
> Weighted ballot: 1=3 points, 2=2 points, 3=1  point.
> 
> Judge  A                           Judge  B                               
  
>         dge  C
> 200 x 3=   600                 194  x  3=  582                            
> 195  x  3= 585
> 200 x 2=  400                   210  x 2=  420                            
  
> 215  x 2= 430
> 200 x 1=   20000         223 x  1=   223 25                   200 
> x1 015
> Judge A was the choice of the membership since he/she got more number  1  
> votes but you will see that Judge B with less number one votes than 
Judges 
> A  &
> C would get intersex.   Please note that even  though Judge A got  more 
> number 
> one votes he/she would end up doing bitches  as a third place  finish.
> 




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