I do not see what difference it makes what method we use, as under both systems, the WDA members can gather enough votes to get whom they want in to judge our National. They have done it to us twice now and as members of the GSDCA it is their right. Joan --- On Wed, 11/12/08, MASSTANA@xxxxxxx <MASSTANA@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: MASSTANA@xxxxxxx <MASSTANA@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why weighted ballot should not be used/ To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 12:41 AM I am curious. Based on your example only 600 people voted for judge A, 627 voted for judge B and 610 voted for judge C. What is your point? If more people vote for a particular judge then they generally win. Obviously I have missed something. The single vote method works fine and gives us judges that we all seem to want. Why some folks vote for some judges whom they have no knowledge of I will not ever figure out. Personally, I would not have known that Helen would do the breed survey approach in specials. I had seen her judge several times over the years and thought she did a good jobs at these shows. Even received several nice wins. So I voted for her, not first but she was one of the top 3. Based on what evidently transpired in Texas, she will not get my vote in the future. Procedure in the ring is paramount. I liked the old way some judges( I think it was Ed Barritt who started it) used to do. After each individual exam the good group in one corner and the not as good group in the other corner. Then move the not so good group several more times to be sure that you don't miss anyone. Then excuse. Then do it again. But since it is an AKC show and the AKC gives the judge relatively wide latitude and expects the judge to "run the show the way they see fit" I guess we probably can't dictate procedure. Can we? John In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: > Below is an example of why the weighted ballot should not be used> > > Weighted ballot: 1=3 points, 2=2 points, 3=1 point. > > Judge A Judge B > dge C > 200 x 3= 600 194 x 3= 582 > 195 x 3= 585 > 200 x 2= 400 210 x 2= 420 > 215 x 2= 430 > 200 x 1= 20000 223 x 1= 223 25 200 > x1 015 > Judge A was the choice of the membership since he/she got more number 1 > votes but you will see that Judge B with less number one votes than Judges > A & > C would get intersex. Please note that even though Judge A got more > number > one votes he/she would end up doing bitches as a third place finish. > ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================