Hi Sara/list: It has been a long long time since I posted anything to the list but I felt like I wanted to comment on this by Sara. Welcome to dog showing first of all and you are right it will require a thick skin and a passion for it to survive :)!! I show in the all breed ring by choice, just the venue I prefer. However, I have finished a dog in the specialty ring and attend quite a few specialty shows as a photographer so I know both "worlds" :). You are right that many people outside our breed do not care for the very angulated dogs. I get stopped all the time while out at shows with my male and receive quite a few comments on how lovely he is because he doesnt "walk funny" and he looks like a MALE. It does seem to be the preferred type to most outside people looking in. However, having said that....I will say I see many lovely balanced non extreme dogs being showed in the specialty ring (winning as well). I see overly angulated dogs in BOTH rings and I see them winning in both rings (when I say overly angulated thats just my opinion so dont shoot me LOL). All breed rings are not just for one type of dog anymore...at least not from what Ive seen. Point 2...it is VERY difficult to show your own dog. You are so correct!! That is a shame, but its the way it is and you have to make up your own mind how to handle that. It is not impossible to show your own dog and win/finish them. But I will say this, you better have a VERY good dog, a very well TRAINED dog and do your homework on judges. And lastly you better learn how to be a VERY good handler. It will probably take longer, but if you take the time to do all these things you will do it quicker and at less expense. I am currently showing my own dog in the all breed ring and we are doing as well as I think most handlers would do with him. I have made some mistakes learning how to show him to make him look his best and Ive made a few mistakes picking judges...but these are mistakes a handler can make as well :). Oh and I keep him gaiting beside me because thats how my dog looks best (or he drops his darn head too low ) and you can do that in the all breed ring, and of course double handling is frowned upon in the all breed ring. On temperament, your right, its something we as breeders need to place more emphasis on in general. I can think of a few stud dogs (not to pick on males I just see more of their progeny then I do out of any particular girl) I see consistently producing "iffy" temperaments but they are still extremely popular dogs as they do produce a lot of winners. Not a sacrifice I am willing to make personally. At any rate those are my two cents worth. Hopefully I will post again before another 10 years go by LOL!! Don't get discouraged Sara if you really want to show GSD's...just do your homework and find the best venue that you feel most comfortable in!! And good luck to you out there! Regards, Joyce Quick www.jomarishepherds.com www.quickpetphotos.com Quote : think people are leaving the breed because: 1) Everyone outside of the specialty dog breeder thinks the breed is now deformed and ruined. Fact. 2) A new person can't step in and show their own dog like in a lot of breeds as we require the dog to gait in front (instead of side); have this weird thing called double handling; and are 99.9% handler dominated. 3) There hasn't been enough emphasis on temperament and too many dogs are nervy I say all this as a new dog show exhibitor and a huge lover of the breed. I am developing tough skin and hope to stay in it for the long haul but there are problems here people. :-( Sara Minsk ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================