[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why people are leaving the breed...
- From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx" <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>, "jomarigsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jomarigsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 20:19:20 -0800 (PST)
I can give you the name of a good retina specialist !
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From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
To: jomarigsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why people are leaving the breed...
Joyce,
Hi there! Thanks so much for your post!
My question is why and when did the angulated hind end/hock hitting ground
thing start? I am being completely honest when I tell you that about 95% of
dogs I see (and 100% of winning dogs) at local shows have this conformation and
I have only attended all-beed shows. Is it just my region?
Yeah, I showed my pup's picture to the guy that showed Dallas and he jokingly
and with a huge smile said....."So, let me get this straight- you have an East
German bitch pup(think working line ScH not pretty West German showline) AND
she's Black AND you want to show AKC!! So, it looks like I have my work cut out
for me!! :-0 hehehe
I don't expect to be able to finish her but I do expect to try to earn a
PAM!!! But, seriously, you have to start somewhere and I figure I will learn a
lot from showing her in the conformation ring. Plus, maybe I CAN finish her
kids someday! *grin*
I really LOVED the look of Dallas. Now, I never saw him move so I don't know if
he had the extreme hock hitting the ground look. But, to me (a past breeder of
champion horses and now stakes winning thoroughbreds) I like to think I am not
totally clueless when it comes to conformation and movement. This dog seemed
very balanced to me. A very correct, moderate dog. Plus, I hear that he could
herd and I have, personally, seen his kids herding quite well. Thus, I don't
understand the ads I see in the Review for "Dallas free pedigrees". Unless, he
was just so popular that they are trying to get a diversification of bloodlines
(which would be totally understandable). But, I digress...sorry!
Yes, I plan on attending some handling seminars and one is going to be be with
George Alston who I think is pretty famous. I have been attending breed
handling class with her in an all-breed group since she was 12 weeks. She
finished her UKC CH in one weekend at 6 months so I was a bit bummed at that! I
thought we could do some UKC shows first as everyone told me it is a good place
to learn before showing AKC. But, our first AKC show is either in January or
February.
Thanks,
Sara
On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, J. Quick wrote:
> Hi Sara/list:
> It has been a long long time since I posted anything to the list but I felt
> like I wanted to comment on this by Sara. Welcome to dog showing first of
> all and you are right it will require a thick skin and a passion for it to
> survive :)!! I show in the all breed ring by choice, just the venue I
> prefer. However, I have finished a dog in the specialty ring and attend
> quite a few specialty shows as a photographer so I know both "worlds" :).
> You are right that many people outside our breed do not care for the very
> angulated dogs. I get stopped all the time while out at shows with my male
> and receive quite a few comments on how lovely he is because he doesnt "walk
> funny" and he looks like a MALE. It does seem to be the preferred type to
> most outside people looking in. However, having said that....I will say I
> see many lovely balanced non extreme dogs being showed in the specialty ring
> (winning as well). I see overly angulated dogs in BOTH
rings and I see them winning in
bo
> th rings (when I say overly angulated thats just my opinion so dont shoot me
> LOL). All breed rings are not just for one type of dog anymore...at least
> not from what Ive seen.
>
> Point 2...it is VERY difficult to show your own dog. You are so correct!!
> That is a shame, but its the way it is and you have to make up your own mind
> how to handle that. It is not impossible to show your own dog and win/finish
> them. But I will say this, you better have a VERY good dog, a very well
> TRAINED dog and do your homework on judges. And lastly you better learn how
> to be a VERY good handler. It will probably take longer, but if you take the
> time to do all these things you will do it quicker and at less expense. I am
> currently showing my own dog in the all breed ring and we are doing as well
> as I think most handlers would do with him. I have made some mistakes
> learning how to show him to make him look his best and Ive made a few
> mistakes picking judges...but these are mistakes a handler can make as well
> :). Oh and I keep him gaiting beside me because thats how my dog looks best
> (or he drops his darn head too low ) and you can do
that in the all breed ring, and
o
> f course double handling is frowned upon in the all breed ring.
>
> On temperament, your right, its something we as breeders need to place more
> emphasis on in general. I can think of a few stud dogs (not to pick on males
> I just see more of their progeny then I do out of any particular girl) I see
> consistently producing "iffy" temperaments but they are still extremely
> popular dogs as they do produce a lot of winners. Not a sacrifice I am
> willing to make personally.
>
> At any rate those are my two cents worth. Hopefully I will post again before
> another 10 years go by LOL!! Don't get discouraged Sara if you really want
> to show GSD's...just do your homework and find the best venue that you feel
> most comfortable in!! And good luck to you out there!
>
> Regards,
>
> Joyce Quick
> www.jomarishepherds.com
> www.quickpetphotos.com
>
>
>
> Quote :
>
> think people are leaving the breed because:
>
> 1) Everyone outside of the specialty dog breeder thinks the breed is now
> deformed and ruined. Fact.
>
> 2) A new person can't step in and show their own dog like in a lot of breeds
> as we require the dog to gait in front (instead of side); have this weird
> thing called double handling; and are 99.9% handler dominated.
>
> 3) There hasn't been enough emphasis on temperament and too many dogs are
> nervy
>
> I say all this as a new dog show exhibitor and a huge lover of the breed. I
> am developing tough skin and hope to stay in it for the long haul but there
> are problems here people. :-(
>
> Sara Minsk
>
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