Sara and everybody, We must be going to different shows, unless your "EVERY single exhibitor" and "EVERY dog person on the planet" comments were used for shock value to get our attention and they REALLY got mine! I show in both the Specialty and the All-breed ring as many of us do, because I believe good dogs can do it in both rings. While there ARE dogs with temperament and gaiting problems in BOTH rings, I don't believe things are as dim as you seem to think. There are problems in many breeds. We have finished a couple Labs, a PBGV and a Flatcoat, besides quite a few GSDs. GSDs follow a written standard and I would suggest that you do a LOT MORE reading. There are various books on gait too--so you will be able to SEE how a good GSD moves. About handling: I want to win, so I have a professional handler, although I do show my own dogs in obedience. I have been in this a long time and have always had 2 left feet in the breed ring. But since having double knee replacement surgery in October of 2010, I would be hardpressed to move the way I would need to to showcase my dogs. Handlers can do this; I cannot. I'll admit I don't care for the excessive amounts of double-handling that goes on; that's why I prefer the All-breeds. I don't think the breed has been"ruined" as you put it. It has problems as EVERY breed does. A concern of mine is health issues. But there are many super breeders out there, who are having their dogs screened for genetic problems, etc. You need to study pedigrees and know where the problems are. As far as the show ring atmosphere being intimidating, it CAN BE. Grow a thick skin. If you are rebuffed by a breeder/exhibitor, try again. Don't give up. We are at those shows to see our dogs perform and the best time to approach someone is after the show when the dust has settled. Good luck. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Member GSDCA since 1981 Signer of the Breeder's Code of Ethics ********************************************************************** Every show I go to, EVERY single exhibitor I talk to is disgusted by the GSD. EVERY single one of them regardless of what breed they have. It's hard for me to listen too but I have a hard time defending the showring dog. It's not normal for dogs to walk like that. I don't remember the GSD I loved as a kid walking like that. It's disgusting. Why do their legs hit the ground? They look so wobbly and weird. I hear at our obedience class or at a nosework demonstration or while out for a walk. Why is it that EVERY dog person on the planet (except the specialty GSD breeder) is so sad that the breed has been ruined? Why can't fellow GSD breeders see it? In fact, at my last UKC show (I started there to get us ready for AKC) the judge even commented to me on having a "normal" GSD and it was "nice to see". :-( It really breaks my heart. Plus, I see GSDs at shows shaking, tail tucked, looking around frantically. It's just not proper character. Now, I don't mean to come on here and have my first posts be so negative. I am trying to learn. So, please help me understand ..... Does anyone know when the hind end thing started? I know it wasn't always like this? Does it give a bigger gait or something? Does anyone wish they could go back to breeding normal dogs but maybe they think they won't win in ring anymore? Does anyone else feel our show ring atmosphere is intimidating to a new show ring exhibitor? Don't some of you wish people could show their own dogs without the antics? I apologize again. Sara Minsk ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================