I don't think it can be blamed on any one particular dog - rather than in breeding for, how should I say this, for looseness in ligament that would dogs to reach better, both front and rear. The improved reach was not due to correctness, but due to looseness in ligamentation. Not only were you seeing dogs walking on their hocks, or the hocks having calluses because they hit the ground before the pad did, but dogs were going down on their fronts also because the pasterns were not held tightly in place. Not breeders were not completely stupid. They bred away from the dogs they though were causing these problems and ligamentation is much better in our breed today. This is a very simplistic statement of my personal opinion. Others may have different ideas. Carol Moore In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:21:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: There was a period in the not too distance past when the Conformation GSDs walked on their hocks and had spaghetti for rear legs. This was easing out just as I was easing in to GSDs. Was there a particular "popular stud" that started this trend, or was it a combination of breedings that were winning (how???). It must have started from someplace, and breeders were breeding to dogs who looked like that, or it wouldn't have happened. I'm just curious. This is far enough in the past that I think we can discuss the wherefores and whyfores w/out being negative about anybody. Stormy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================