I watched it very carefully. sue and glenn both did. The judge seemed curt to glenn and sue said she had a hair up her a_ _ about something. She just blurted out the "old English" The commentator's word about old English must pace set us up for the final upset. We probably will never know unless Jimmy sheds some light on it or someone knowledgeable who was there. Senior moment, fluke, who knows. From Sunny S. Florida Sue and Glenn Sherwood See us at http://www.germanshepherdsrus.com glenwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================