In a message dated 1/17/2005 8:57:40 AM Central Standard Time, campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: It was not even a great Old English for heavens sake! Was it my imagination or did the judge seem mad? I am sure she had given Ginny a BIS. ************************************************************************** Joan you are right in my opinion. I had that OES in Tuscon when I judged and he is not one of Jere Marders best dogs. She has had some really good ones in the past but this is not one of them. I did not place him in the group I judged. Lee ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================