I agree with you on this, Jeff...there's a dog out now who started winning well while quite immature. When I first saw him I was disappointed....there just wasn't enough of him and he was bitchy, to my eyes. He's now settled into looking good and appears to have filled out, not to mention that his head has come along. Nowadays, I think maybe he's masculine enough but I could be wrong........most of us are, some of the time. . Anyway, judges are supposed to judge on the day...not on what they think might happen later... Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <caggra@xxxxxxx>. >I agree about bitchy males, but I also think that some view a slower >maturing dog as bitchy, where in fact, a slower maturing dog at the end of >the day will be a better working dog with more athleticism and likely a >more suspended proper gait.? > Jeff > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================