[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Three majors
- From: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Colleen Donnelly" <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>, <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:11:55 -0500
As usual, Christine, you are right on with your comments. It always amazes
me that some people feel that all success is because of politics or the
"buddy system." Success is never the result of hard work, careful planning
and continued education. No one gives credit to "paying your dues." These
complainers are not to be feared as you will never see their dogs in serious
competition with any of your dogs. Much easier to blame the system then to
look inward and recognize they themselves are the problem they are not
successful.
Continued success!! D.D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Colleen Donnelly" <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>; <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Three majors
> Colleen..I am not certain if it is 'voting" time again or if Kathleen is
> running for a position..however..unless you have joined the PC since the
> last roster..it would appear you won't be voting for anyone. Personally..I
> am tired of your complaining..first is was doubling..now it is "big
names".
> let 's talk about those "big names" for a moment...yes..there are times
> when dogs win because of their association with someone..and they
> shouldn't.Even though Kathleen and I don't readily agree on some
> issues..one thing I can say is that she judges dogs. Example: the first
fut
> she judged..her Fut dog winner went on to go Sel...her mat winner went on
> to go GV in both countries. The fut. she judged last year..her Fut dog
> winner went on to go FV, WD and Sel..and her Mat. dog winner went on to go
> MV and then won the Open dog class..the former is finished..the later
needs
> one point to finish.Not bad stats for having only judged 2 futurities.
> Now..if the dogs mentioned had no merit..and had only won because of their
> ownership by.."big names"..it would seem that their quality would not have
> been found and rewarded by several judges. The bottom line is this..we all
> started at the grass roots of this game...what separates the winners form
> the losers is that some learn, improve and become competitive We learned
> that our dogs had to be in good condition..well groomed..we obtained the
> best handlers we could afford we learned to be objective and realistic
> about how competitive our dogs really were in the ring..not just in our
> back yards..and most of all..instead of bitching and complaining about
> successful "big names" that had good dogs..we wanted to IMITATE their
> success.Which leads to another point I would like to make. The lack of
> respect shown on this List by those who have done relatively nothing in
the
> breed continually amazes me. Instead of wanting to imitate the successes
of
> many on the List..many resent it..and are continually looking to take pot
> shots and those who know much more than they do. I would never have
dreamed
> in my infancy in the breed to go toe to toe with someone who had proven
> experience and knowledge about the breed and had the credentials to prove
> it. Oh..and BTW..you can count this as another "snarky" post. C.Grainger
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Colleen Donnelly <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 5/16/2005 7:12:26 PM
> > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Three majors
> >
> > Hey Kathleen, Ms Strong, did you say "you heard"?? Get a grip.
> >
> > As a bystander watching you judge....I could say alot. Can everyone say
> the word favorites? You are one of the reasons why people do or do not
> show under you.
> >
> > As for gossip....sit your butt down. You want to talk about dogs/bitches
> that are toe draggers/big name owners you have said "number one" to? etc
> etc etc etc etc etc.
> >
> > Is voting time coming up??
> >
> > Colleen Donnelly
> > Kathaleen Strong <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I don't really know how to write this email without coming off as a
major
> > b*tch --- but frankly, I don't know any other way than to say what's on
my
> > mind. I haven't had the time to respond to a lot of threads that have
> > gotten my goat... but these two posts have done it.
> >
> > I have NOT seen this dog that has recently won 3 specialty shows. I did
> not
> > attend the shows this weekend and I have yet to search on the website
for
> > him. However, from the people I have talked to about this dog, I have
> heard
> > that he typifies correct GSD TYPE, he is ALL male, he FUNCTIONS, his
> > shoulder is adequate and he has a brilliant temperament. Maybe if I saw
> him
> > I'd think he was puke... or maybe I'd just say he's a dog that has some
> good
> > qualities or maybe I'd go off my rocker and say he's fantastic... I
don't
> > know... Mrs. Franklin... have you seen this dog in person?
> >
> > Would it be that all our "big-time specialty" judges behaved in a proper
> > manner, read the standard and actually put up dogs that typify the
> standard,
> > instead of freight trains that are owned by the powerful; less than
> quality
> > animals labeled as superior; toe draggers who are listed as "great
> movers";
> > and I could go on and on... but I'll stop here...
> >
> > And another thing... Since When is it bad for someone to hedge their
bets
> > and show their dogs to judges who may appreciate them??? I would think
> that
> > the smart and knowledgeable exhibitor would do this very thing... and
> > instead of getting a "b*tchslap" on the list for doing it... they would
be
> > acknowledged as being smart exhibitors. Afterall, Mrs. Franklin,
according
> > to most judges nowadays, the judge isn't at fault for putting up the
dogs
> > they put up... they are only responsible to judge according to their
> > interpretation of the standard. Just the same as the breeders who show
> > their "interpretations" of the standard - or their handler's
> interpretation,
> > or their money's interpretation or whatever it is that affords them the
> > unmitigated gall to exhibit some of the freakazoids in the ring, that
> sends
> > the public running from the shows scared to death to get involved with
our
> > breed.
> >
> > Regardless of all the above, I'm really wonder what the AKC's take on
this
> > this UNJUDGELIKE behavior exhibited on this list would be??? I would
hope
> > that Mrs. Franklin reviews the AKC's guidelines for judges and remember
> > appearances are very, very important to keep up... including on the
list.
> >
> > Sometimes I agree with Christine - at times I'm also embarrassed to
> > acknowledge that I am involved with such a sophomoric group of people
that
> > make up the "powerful and important".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kathaleen Strong
> >
> >
> >
> >
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