Apparently. A TRUE GSD temperament is [quoted from t he standard] " The breed has a distinct personality marked by direct and fearless, but not hostile, expression, self-confidence and a certain aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships. The dog must be approachable, quietly standing its ground and showing confidence and willingness to meet overtures without itself making them."   Interpreted to mean NOT lunging or attempting to bite without provovcation. Approachable in ALMOST ALL situations withoput hostility.  Snapping and/or growling at humans while outside the a show ring is completely inappropriate!!!!!  NOONE there is doing enough to provoke any SOUND dog.  My import, Helios, is frewuently around children and gusets in my home and has never threatened anone I invited onto the property. He does quite frequently [and very noshallantly [sp]] just place himself between me and folks that are first time visitors but has never shown any threat.  Yet I wouldn't hesitate to walk down ANY street in ANY city with this IPO 3 dog. The "Golden Retriever wiggle' is not quite as faulty as the dog that attempts to bite but is still a variation from the standard. I understand Dave's point. And that is.... How much provocation would it take to make a dog defend family???? That is the question and in most cases where we have varied from the standard - some one way and others the other.... but still a VARIATION from ideal which is CLEARLY stated in the Standard. Suzanne Kinman www.tsalishepherds.com    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cinosam GSD" <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:13:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Sissyfication of the GSD After reading Dave's interview...I have a question.�� In it, he mentioned that Rollins would only bite if he was pushed and that he prefered a tougher dog.���Assuming I am�interpeting this correctly....I have to admit that I've always prefered a tougher GSD and have never really bought into�the new and improved temperaments of�wagging tails and kisses for the judge.�� � I also recall some incidents at shows where male dogs particuarly, would show aggressive tendancies outside the ring�that would send�witnesses into a tizzy....and I'm thinking...okay these are Shepherd "people"?� I've always equated a stud dog with a�breeding sstallion�that requires special handling and respect.� Am I missing something here? � Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================