You raise a point I didn't consider.....degrees of correct temperament and personal preference. An old generation GSD breeder/judge showed me how to properly conduct a temperament test once. He said don't look the dog in the eye, approach confidently, touch the dog on the head and walk away......no leaning over, no pounding the dog on it's side, no messing with the leash or making kissy face with it (he didn't say kissy face :o))......respect the dog. Lets face it, a tough dog that might intimate people is going to be labeled negatively where as the dog that is all about feeling the love and swooning over every stranger they meet is going to be considered a dog with an outstanding temperament. Society, legislation, fear of lawsuits and conformist attitudes .....are driving that train......and in ten years......who knows what most people will consider a "correct" temperament. All I know is if we start putting bows in our dogs....I'm out........though FYI......according to Ed Biven....Red it the preferred color of choice for black and tans (at least as it pertains to yorkies). <g> Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com --- On Wed, 2/10/10, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Sissyfication of the GSD To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 4:48 PM As much as I respect Dave, and as much as I often agree with him, I do not agree with everything he says. He prefers a tougher dog, that is what he likes. He does not say that is what the standard requires. I remember in the past dogs that you approached with some trepidation. As a judge, that is not what I like, nor as an owner or breeder. I loved Patriot, who didn't care less about anyone but his owners. He stood in the ring and ignored everyone. That is what the standard calls for, aloof, but not what I like in my dogs. I judged Rollins and in my opinion, he was tough enough for me when he was in my ring. As a matter of fact, I didn't try to push him, not because I thought he would bite, but he was as sound as I wanted. I like a bit of a softer dog, that I can live with. Not one afraid, but not one too tough. But, my opinion is just mine, and no better than yours, or anyone elses. The standard tells us what the temperament should be, and at least in judging a dog, that is what it should be. And, sissys will bite too. They can't bitch slap you, and biting is all there is. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================