In a message dated 12/6/2006 2:33:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor.....use German dogs to improve reach? (no need to say front...there is no other kind).........if you think you have to go to imports to improve fronts, you need to widen your horizons and look at some of the other dogs we have in this country.....we have beautiful shoulders...if only people Have to admit, this one made me go....HUH??? Now before the German aficionados, and admirers ( Ken and I are amongst them too ya know, lol) get in a huff...I don't think people go to a German dog for improving shoulders and reach. Speaking ONLY for ourselves ok.....we go for ribbing, feet, pigment, longevity (we hope) toughness, physical and mental, and to BROADEN THE GENE POOL IN OUR PROGRAM. The Germans are the FIRST to admit that the Americans have the edge when it comes to movement. The American dogs too, give elegance, and tone down some of the drivey-ness (is that a word? lol) with some of the hot German lines. It is an interesting thing to see what can come from a good American dog and a good German dog....if you get showdogs that is SUPER, but the show ring is gravy. If you get brood bitches that is a o k, too......it is all about improving, and striving to make a healthy, long lived, super minded, CORRECT dog that genetically as sound as you can make it and is gorgeous to boot, ..one generation at a time. Kathy Tank _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ~ WEBSITE UPDATED: Nov 13, 2006 Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 26 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE 2006 PACIFIC COAST VICTOR ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================