Kathy, Thanks for the input, you make some points that certainly should be considered. A couple of thoughts!!! a. Yes there are shows nearly every weekend, but perhaps by having a 4 show weekend, we can 1. Limit the number of weekends that we have to plan for specialities 2. If there happen to be All Breeds that weekend then having 4 shows on one weekend vs 2 All Breeds might be a more powerful allure to the Exhibitor who is weighing their choices. b. Cost of Claremont site: Perhaps if we can promise them more weekends then the 1 weekend that SBR/Riverside holds the show we could negotiate a better price. We won't know until we ask. c. You are correct i meant 4 show weekend and not 4 days of showing. I really believe that we as a specialty group of GSD show people have the same goal and i think if we put our heads togethor and share these ideas and are willing to take some chances we can stand a chance to turn this around somewhat. But doing the same thing will not lead to different results. Best, Bill --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: SoCal Specialties To: billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 12:55 PM I agree with you Bill on much of this. But a couple of points... Not having a specialty within 500 miles will eliminate a lot of potential weekends for Specialties. The Claremont site IS terrific..problem though, from what I understand it is VERY expensive to rent. This may make it impossible for clubs w/o a big obedience entry to afford. I like the site personally, except for the RVs parked always right next to the entrance gate, (which makes it a LOOONG walk for people schlepping dogs in vans) Local judges, don't work well very often, for a variety of reasons...right on that. I am not sure a 4 day show weekend is cost efficient, unless you meant 4 show weekends..four nights in a hotel ? hmmmm Maybe we are talking about 4 shows in two days or ? I like the Regional specialties. I also really liked what OC/ LB did with two shows on one day and Sunday home. It was very nice to have the Sunday to just chill...or travel if you were traveling. You are right, clubs have to pay attention to whom they select to judge. Often we see "incompatible " judges, that limit the entry to one day or the other. It would be a good idea not to keep getting the "same ole , same ole" some clubs do...I know the Nationals is sure guilty of this...after awhile the zzzzzz factor sets in..."oh yeah Him/ Her again" New faces , provisionals , what-have-you, always pique interest. I don't have the answers..wish I did. We support the judges when we feel it is a good idea to do so. But I can tell you for sure, gone are the days that we go to a show, just for the sake of getting a dog in the ring. We also don't go only for one judge, most times. Just thinking out loud. Kathy On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > In these difficult economic times, just like any business that wants to > thrive, it is MOST important for the business to really understand the needs > of their CUSTOMER. In the case of dog shows the Customer is the EXHIBITOR. > For Speciality clubs to have a chance a drawing well they must always keep > the needs of the Exhibitor in mind as the FOREMOST consideration. In the > case of Southern Californial specialites, for them to draw strong majors > they must attract the exhibitors from Nor.Cal, Arizona and Nevada. ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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