Huh??? I'll have to disregard your comment about the Fords. It has nothing to do with what I wrote, or what we were discussing. I mentioned them because they were fairly new at the time, and that is a good example of why we need to reach out to new people to build the club and the game back up to what it once was. People have indeed given reasons why larger numbers in the shows and in the club are better. I know I did, and you cut them out of your response? On the other hand, the reason you gave for not worrying about growing the club or the game was that you are happy. I personally do not see that as a good enough reason to ignore the obvious problem. More and more people are quitting the specialty ring. Too many are quitting showing dogs all together. Not enough new people are interested enough to come into the game. Those are very serious problems whether you see it or not. Tom Langlitz ------------------------------------ In a message dated 6/15/2005 7:22:37 PM Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 6/14/05 8:38:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, See, this makes my point, thanks Tom. What is bad about small? Some keep saying bigger is better, and give no reason for that. As Tom pointed out, Fords were small breeders, they produced Lance. Is the quality of the dogs being shown dropping, not that I have noticed. The quality in the ring is better today than it ever has been, and yet the entries are smaller. Maybe, it is time for those who have resisted to admit it, now join and say that smaller might just be better. It does no good to keep insisting there is a problem, if there isn't. Other than making more money in entry fees, larger entries do not provide better quality. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================