It's funny that you should ask this. I spent several hours just yesterday with the 2009 Redbook looking at pictures and pedigrees (and, yes, numbers). As my excitement is growing over my next breeding which will occur in a couple of weeks, I just can't get enough of this material. And, yes, I read through them year round as well. Of course, every time that I mention on the List that I have been studying this or that, some individuals respond with ridicule and contempt toward anyone who studies the breed rather than just learning by doing. I happen to think that using resources like the Redbook to study potential breedings is very important, and I am sure I am not the only one who relies heavily on these and other sources to make breeding decisions. Information can be hard to come by sometimes, and it is vital to have information on our top dogs compiled in one place annually. I am grateful to those who take the time to send in pictures, pedigrees, records, and information about the strengths that their dogs/bitches bring to a pedigree. Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com Home of Working Champions ----- Original Message ---- From: Kathaleen Strong <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Lealynn@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 1:27:41 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Red Book AKC Authorization forms needed - bitches I'll submit these forms soon. Personally, I am pleased to have 3 dogs eligible to be in this upcoming Redbook, based on VERY FEW PUPPIES produced -- but I am wondering is there any point to submitting the information? Are breeders going to pay attention to the information? Which breeder is actually going to look at the numbers? Are there true, independent breeders in this game anymore??.. you know.. the ones who used to pay attention to the numbers and the dogs who produced correct, outreaching, BALANCED progeny (based upon the standard, not some word a handler or judge uses to describe CRAP Quality). How about the rest of the educational information presented.. primarily the interview? For years I've read that trying to glean information as to how fantastically successful breeders accomplished "it", or do they have anything to share which I can use. There are breeders have produced more than one highly successful animal and ROM's ... I'm speaking of the many people who I'd like to see be interviewed --- Ann Brogden, The Graingers, and several others who have had legitimate, non-handler directed success with SMALL breeding programs and they are habitually passed over .. Why???? And just so we're clear -- I am not referring to myself. So, is there a point outside of "presenting" my animals in the Red Book? Will anyone actually look at the information and use it judiciously and actually breed to animals who haven't produced 50+ puppies a year or will it be another waste of time? Kathaleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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