Then you must factor in how "active" the breeders are in MARKETING ( and how lucky) in the resultant puppies - I know very fine breeders that are usually only interested in keeping a puppy for themselves from a breeding, and do not go around in everyone's face how lovely their puppies are, and requesting promises from buyers to show their puppy. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I agree with Iza on this -Most of the people I know breed for them selves and place the rest as pets. The success of kennel can be determined by what the person set out to do. I never cared about selling show pups- I felt if they were really good I was keeping them and I wanted the rest in forever homes. My aim was always the ROM's I never cared about selects or Gv's - Sally www.embroiderybysally.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================