[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong collars and Laura

  • From: grnram415@xxxxxxx
  • To: wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:47:43 -0400

Werner,
Other than your own dogs, do you train others or deal with JQP?? I respect your 
position to disagree with me.? But, I ask you this.? If you are dealing with 
JQP or a very hard dog, how would you handle the situation?? 

Laura 


-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Prong collars and Laura



I will forever disagree with you!
However I do respect your right to say what you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Laura ...wrote.
I am late on this subject but I totally disagree.? A prong/pinch collar, when 
used correctly,?can be a very useful training tool.? I work with many large 
breed and tough dogs, including Rotties and Pits.??A prong/pinch collar 
imitates 
Mom's control of her pups or the Pack leader's control of the pack.? In nature, 
the alpha dog grabs the neck to control?pups and any dog who challengers to 
their authority.? The pinch collar simulates that control.? The pinch collar 
also allows the dog to self-correct.??
Many years ago, I had a very HARD Lab.? I took him to a trainer who?believed in 
physical force to train.?( She is now? judge of GSD's.)? She caused permanent 
neck damage to my dog by stringing him up on a choke chain and swinging him 
around, to get him to comply to her demands.??He could never get past a CD in 
obeidience due to his pain and long term injuries.??? 

I have used a pinch collar on a few dogs since then.? I got compliance quickly 
as they mostly self corrected.? It did not take away from the dog moving out in 
front of me, it just gave them control.? I do not string them up on a pinch nor 
do I have to be overly physical in corrections.? Within?one or two sessions, 
the 
dog understands the plan and no longer needs the pinch collar.? Some dogs take 
longer, especially with pet people.? However, once they understand who is in 
charge, the pinch collar is no longer needed, even for tough dogs.? It is not 
for every dog but it is a good tool for dogs who need control.? 

Laura???


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