[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong collars and Laura
- From: Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Werner
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BISS Am/Can CH. Scher-Lo's Mr Karizma HIC.OFA h&e
Am.CH. Hadori's Samantha OFA h&e
B.O.F CH. Pointed, Lorien's Play By Play OFA h&e
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong collars and Laura
To: grnram415@xxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 4:15 PM
Laura
I do instruct conformation at our GSD club that is it as far as JQP.
I do not make money on dogs......I spend money on them.....
If I would ever get to the point that I could not control them I would get help.
Pray to God, ask a friend, but always show them the love they show me.
The Best to All
Werner
http://imagegermanshepherds.com/
BISS Am/Can CH. Scher-Lo's Mr Karizma HIC.OFA h&e
Am.CH. Hadori's Samantha OFA h&e
B.O.F CH. Pointed, Lorien's Play By Play OFA h&e
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong collars and Laura
To: grnram415@xxxxxxx, wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:20 PM
You might as well quit wasting your time. Some people just don't want to
hear what others have to say. They've made up their minds and that's
it.
There may come a time when there is no alternative and a prong collar would
look real good to them - unless, of course, the dog is disposed of.
Lee F.
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong collars and Laura
Werner,
Other than your own dogs, do you train others or deal with JQP?? I respect
your position to disagree with me.? But, I ask you this.? If you are dealing
with JQP or a very hard dog, how would you handle the situation??
Laura
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From: Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Prong collars and Laura
I will forever disagree with you!
However I do respect your right to say what you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Laura ...wrote.
I am late on this subject but I totally disagree.? A prong/pinch collar,
when
used correctly,?can be a very useful training tool.? I work with many large
breed and tough dogs, including Rotties and Pits.??A prong/pinch collar
imitates
Mom's control of her pups or the Pack leader's control of the pack.? In
nature,
the alpha dog grabs the neck to control?pups and any dog who challengers to
their authority.? The pinch collar simulates that control.? The pinch collar
also allows the dog to self-correct.??
Many years ago, I had a very HARD Lab.? I took him to a trainer who?believed
in
physical force to train.?( She is now? judge of GSD's.)? She caused
permanent
neck damage to my dog by stringing him up on a choke chain and swinging him
around, to get him to comply to her demands.??He could never get past a CD
in
obeidience due to his pain and long term injuries.???
I have used a pinch collar on a few dogs since then.? I got compliance
quickly
as they mostly self corrected.? It did not take away from the dog moving out
in
front of me, it just gave them control.? I do not string them up on a pinch
nor
do I have to be overly physical in corrections.? Within?one or two sessions,
the
dog understands the plan and no longer needs the pinch collar.? Some dogs
take
longer, especially with pet people.? However, once they understand who is in
charge, the pinch collar is no longer needed, even for tough dogs.? It is
not
for every dog but it is a good tool for dogs who need control.?
Laura???
Werner
http://imagegermanshepherds.com/
?BISS Am/Can CH. Scher-Lo's Mr Karizma HIC.OFA h&e
Am.CH. Hadori's Samantha OFA h&e
B.O.F CH. Pointed, Lorien's Play By Play OFA h&e
?
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