[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pick your tools well
- From: PlushPuppyOhio <plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ELG440@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT)
Evan,
I couldnt disagree with you more. And my gut says this is all just a play on
words. You say its to show what to look for in the show ring..... and that is
separate from me producing animals to take to the show ring? Its all circular.
In order to breed correct animals, you HAVE to understand the Standard. In
order to judge what is correct, you have to understand the standard. Seeing
where the front foot would touch ground on correct movement, for some is about
seeing it.... which might be on a peice of paper. Ive talked to MANY old
timers, who really dont know what correct front reach is... so im going to take
their word and produce their movement?. For me to take someone to a show and
try to get them to see correct shoulder, where the foot should make contact,
where the crossover should occur underneath etc... is very hard on a moving
animal. It all happens so fast and they dont know what they're looking at to
begin with. To show them a document that illustrates
pictures.... is a lot easier. Once they see that, then it makes their ability
to look at a moving animal easier. All of us need to understand the
standard... whether your juding or breeding or showing or whatever. Some of us
are more visual. The IS just enhances the understanding of what is being
talked about.
So yes... I do use the standard (and IS) to help plan my breedings. If that
isnt the correct wording that i should be using... forgive me. But when it
comes down to it, we all should be using the standard.... and the IS is just a
tool to help understand the standard. If the standard calls for no missing
teeth, and shows a picture of correct teeth arangement, and I have a lot of
missing teeth, I'll certainly consider finding a dog to breed to that has no
missing teeth in its lines.
(And no... I have never had a missing tooth... so please dont think all my dogs
have missing teeth!!!) ha ha!!!
Sean
ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote:
In a message dated 8/24/05 10:33:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
EllenH33@xxxxxxx writes:
You're looking at the NIS from the viewpoint of someone who
has been in the breed for a long time. Try looking at it as someone who
knows
little or nothing about the breed as some new judges and those new to the
breed.
I probably will offend someone, (so, what else is new?), but if you are
using the Illustrated Standard to plan your breeding, I would suggest you not
do
it. The way to learn to breed is to talk to other breeders. What you see is
not what you get.
The Illustrated Standard is not to help with breeding, but to show what to
look for in the show ring when judging. I don't think it was ever meant for the
breeders. If you don't understand the genetics of this breed, no written
document is going to help you with that.
Using the Illustrated Standard to plan a breeding is as good as reading a
pedigree and deciding what to breed to by what you read.
It is like trying to teach a pig to sing. You just frustrate the pig, and
you are bound to fail.
Evan
_Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/)
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