Thank you, Sean. You saved me posting. I could add a bit more but it would be redundant. Besides, Evan, by his own admission, doesn't plan the breedings. Tedi does. *\|/* *\|/* Ellen *\|/* *\|/* ***From w.NY*** http://www.geocities.com/jeenellyn33/ In a message dated 8/25/2005 4:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx writes: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: PlushPuppyOhio <plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Pick your tools well Evan, I couldnt disagree with you more. And my gut says this is all just a play on words. You say its to show what to look for in the show ring..... and that is separate from me producing animals to take to the show ring? Its all circular. In order to breed correct animals, you HAVE to understand the Standard. In order to judge what is correct, you have to understand the standard. Seeing where the front foot would touch ground on correct movement, for some is about seeing it.... which might be on a peice of paper. Ive talked to MANY old timers, who really dont know what correct front reach is... so im going to take their word and produce their movement?. For me to take someone to a show and try to get them to see correct shoulder, where the foot should make contact, where the crossover should occur underneath etc... is very hard on a moving animal. It all happens so fast and they dont know what they're looking at to begin with. To show them a document that illustrates pictures.... is a lot easier. Once they see that, then it makes their ability to look at a moving animal easier. All of us need to understand the standard... whether your juding or breeding or showing or whatever. Some of us are more visual. The IS just enhances the understanding of what is being talked about. So yes... I do use the standard (and IS) to help plan my breedings. If that isnt the correct wording that i should be using... forgive me. But when it comes down to it, we all should be using the standard.... and the IS is just a tool to help understand the standard. If the standard calls for no missing teeth, and shows a picture of correct teeth arangement, and I have a lot of missing teeth, I'll certainly consider finding a dog to breed to that has no missing teeth in its lines. (And no... I have never had a missing tooth... so please dont think all my dogs have missing teeth!!!) ha ha!!! Sean ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================