[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Opinions on this Article?
- From: Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "rockannand@xxxxxxx" <rockannand@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 02:08:19 -0500
Very true it's out there- and not something we need to do with our breed Thank
God!
I should think that doing a breeding as such as a last ditch effort to improve
health be viewed a bit differently as it is... If that were the only way
possible to improve breed health why not?
Lets hope we never have to make breed decisions like that!
JP&P
JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/ ProudK911
www.jaydeesphs.com
AKC Breeder of Merit
Home of the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!!
On 6 Aug 2013, at 23:54, Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Exactly, however what of the Golden Retriever with 100% mortality rate from
> cancer? Or the pug's lacking muzzle. How do you control the population of
> Breeders who mass produce and care not? And, as Christine posted, each breed
> have their own health issues.. I'm all for improvement in health, but having
> the genes so loosy-goosy by out-crossing one breed to another sounds like the
> twilight zone.
>
> Kate @ Rockannand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen Proud" <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: fhenry1@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx, rockannand@xxxxxxx, stormy435@xxxxxxxxx,
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> Sent: Tuesday, 6 August, 2013 6:41:51 PM
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>
> The cross-breeding mentioned between a Dalmatian and a Pointer was done
> specifically to get genetic material that was no longer found within the
> Dalmatian breed... Every Dal has urinary stones-- that is except for the
> descendants of that original cross- all the progeny used for breeding was
> bred back to Dals; you couldn't tell the F3 progeny apart from a "purebred"
> Dalmatian. I showed quite extensively years ago with the family's go
> perpetuated this particular breeding. They showed both AKC & UKC and had many
> CH & GrandCH dogs- including those who were urinary tract stones free. :)
> As so few dogs are ever bred, and popular sire syndrome happening across many
> breeds, genetic diversity is frequently lost. That cross-breeding wasn't done
> with having some designer dog in mind and the immediate money- it was done in
> the hope that 6-10 years down the road she would have again registerable
> Dalmatians who weren't affected with UT stones.
> When to cross-breed is your only chance at gaining a desperately needed trait
> that would drastically improve the health of your dog/breed, wouldn't you
> take the chance too if you were in it for the long run? (Which unfortunately
> doesn't fit the majority of people who breed dogs with the average lifespan
> of a breeder being 5-6 years- just long enough for genetic problems to pop up
> from their breedings over a generation or two, become disheartened and quit)
>
>
> Just my 2 cents playing devil's advocate
>
> JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/ ProudK911
> www.jaydeesphs.com
> AKC Breeder of Merit
> Home of the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!!
>
> On 6 Aug 2013, at 17:55, Fran Henry < fhenry1@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> But that's exactly what all the "designer doodle" breeders are doing -- BUT
> they are selling ALL the puppies.
>
> I'm not a breeder, but I have enormous respect for those who are and who do
> their very best to improve the breed. I can't even imagine breeding to
> another breed, and I strongly suspect those who do just take pot luck.
>
> Though I'm not a breeder, I research lines and pedigrees and do my very best
> to select puppies with good health and good temperament on both sides.
>
> Just because one CAN breed a litter doesn't mean one SHOULD.
>
> Fran Henry
> Home of Konigin's My Abilene, TC, CGC
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Hickoryhill < hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Outcrosses should only be done for an absolute specific reason, and then you
> are to keep ONLY the progeny that exhibit the improvement. naturally
> Oppenheimer was talking about within the breed, could you imagine the
> problems you could potentially get and how unpredictable even your future
> litters would be if you were to outcross to a different breed??? Christine
>
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