What Lyn said :) In a message dated 11/22/2012 6:23:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Training is training regardless of what ring you show in. The key is consistency, if you use heel to mean walk at your side, then always use that word, if you use "let's go to mean hit the end of a lead and pull then always use it and inform your handlers of the command. As for collars, there are all types. Preference falls into play here as well as "complete knowledge" in how to use each type. A pinch collar is only as evil or mean as the person at the other end of the lead. If you don't know how to properly fit and use any collar, ask a trainer. A pinch collar distributes the tension evenly around the dogs neck using less pressure then a choke collar which only places the tension at the opposite side of the ring attached to the leash. You will hear more dogs choke/cough from a choke collar correction then you will from a pinch collar. I have seen numerous replies from people advocating that a GSD is intelligent enough to know the difference, which I believe and have done with my own dogs, yet I have not seen one reply stating the old adage ...do not teach your dog to heel or sit if you want to show in conformation and I am sure there are plenty out there. I will agree that it is easier to allow your puppy to get in the habit of pulling while on leash since that's what they do untrained, then you need to get that pulling under control so that the dog learns to take corners and stay to the outside. That shouldn't take several years! Your dog will never forget how to pull, so get to an obedience class and start training the dog to heel. You will both be happier for it. Lyn Chernak ~ CherLyn Shepherds AKC Breeder of Merit http://www.cherlynshepherds.com Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, CD, RA, TC, CGC ________________________________ From: Adelle Tibbs <sabokat2@xxxxxxxxx> To: "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Obedience and conformation Hey all. I have a question, and I thought Id try and post it to the forum. I just purchased my first puppy that I am wanting to show. Hes a big boy now, and turns a year old next week. I didnt want to teach him to heel, so he knows how to pull out in the ring. I have taken him through basic obedience class so he knows how to sit, down, etc. The heel is the only thing we didn't work on. Today I took him for a walk, and when we progressed to a jog, he pulled out so hard, I fell and wiped out really bad. 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