Jeff, you said a mouth full. Someone who was once a real advocat for our breed has become invested in the wrong places. Now he has damaged his reputation badly. If I had dogs to show, if I had planned on showing at the National in his ring, I would be changing my plans by now. Before my dog got sick, I had not planned on showing this year. My litter was too young to do well, so I had planned to wait anyway. But I had considered going. I had a real chance at placing one of my girls with someone from the west coast, the National would have been the best, and likely only, time to get together with people from the west coast to discuss my dogs. Now with lupus in one of the litter, no one is being shown, nor do I see any virtue in breeding the girls, so I am not going anywhere. But I know for sure that I would not now or again ever show under Carmen. His judgment is not one I am intersted in anymore. sheila caggra@xxxxxxx wrote: Yes Michael, I am sorry, but you are incorrect on a few issues. First, he is NOT a member. (thank you board for rescinding). Secondly, saying that the man met the criteria is not as clear as you are stating. There are statements, sentences and phrases in our bylaws which several (Eight) Board Members felt were enough to say that he absolutely does NOT meet the criteria for becoming a member of our club. And lastly, you are the most incorrect about who deserves punishing. I don't think that anyone said that One person is 100%responsible for all of this........BUT that One person has a lot of playing cards in this hand of the game. And I am sorry but it's time to cut him from the game completely. Nobody likes to play with cheaters. Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: sally@xxxxxxxxxxx To: cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx; arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx; willowlakegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 6:43 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: National Judge Place the blame where it belongs. Im not pro Hunte, pro Carmen or anything. It needs to go where it shoudl rightly go. THE SAME MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES WHICH YOU AND I ARE HELD TO. The man met the criterion and he is a member. END OF SUBJECT. One shouldn't punish Carmen,Paul or anyone on that issue. The punishment should go where and when they (1) stopped endorsements and (2) when the wording allowed "anyone" into the club. Singlehandedly, thats not Carmen's fault. Besides, what does membership errors have to do with judging dogs? 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