In a message dated 5/4/2011 6:09:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: One of the questions on the report asks if the observer saw any shy dogs and if yes, did they place. IMO any dog that avoids the approaching judge is shy or any dog that slouches and has its tail tucked is shy. Training and socializing can change the behavior / reactions of the dog but it will not change the temperament of the dog. I d not agree. Any reasonable judge who understands the breed, knows temperament, and not test will change the reality of the dog. I have seen sound dogs looking about for one reason or the other, and dogs standing in fear. I have seen sound dogs in the ring, who seemed to be backing off, when they are only adjusting their stance. The loose lead temperament test if great for those outside the ring. Inside, it is up to the judge. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================