In a message dated 11/25/06 7:45:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: For everyone who says German Shepherds cannot be a 'cookie cutter' breed I say, visit the Seiger Show and look at the breed in their country of origin! I don't think anyone says they can't be, what seems clear to me, (shut up Paul) is that we don't want them to be. Americans seem to want difference, but still obtain quality. Our standard leaves room for some variations, such as height, being between two numbers, nor on a certain number. We, in our sport allow color variations, and styles. The country of origin has always taken a different approach in all matters. I am not so sure that I want every one of our dogs to look the same. When Ed did bitches last, you could have taken one picture and placed it for each one. He decided to use "type" as part of his judging, and that was his decision. Other judges have done it differently, but maintained a high standard. I have always enjoyed the fact that we have top quality dogs and bitches that may appear different in type, and yet still match our standard. A few years back, the SV wrote to the GSDCA and demanded we use their standard, or we would no longer be able to call our dogs German Shepherds. I was on the board when that letter was read, and there was a well justified outcry from the board. A response seemed to quell that demand, and since then we have continued to improve our breed, as has Germany. We are not a nation that follows blindly a strong leader, and we based our government on that idea. As a dog club we embrace differences, and strive for perfection. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================