Having been to the last two German Sieger Shows the following is my observation. The breed is not cookie cutter in Germany. They do look different from one another, just like my German Imports do not look alike. What they all seem to have in common is good feet, bone, substance, endurance, strong backs( not roached), Proper body proporations, heads that fit their sex, clean coming and going, strong ears, full mouths, good pigment, good strong character, gun sure, they are not nervous and jumping about in the ring, and the will to keep performing for hours. What they lack is front reach and proper croups. It seems to me that there is a solution to alot of our problems. Breed to the best German bred dog that you can find here in the USA. They will help us to improve the short comings of our dogs. Take your best fronts and croups and they will supply the rest. I have nine American bred dogs and two German imports. I have a plan. JMO, Mary Gattone ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================