They will start as a fault because they ARE a fault. Not very serious, or serious, but a fault nonetheless. And yet they can be judge on their attributes as well. We need to start with the standard, not with whimsical wishes, no matter how well intended they are. The mentality should be: Ok, here is a coat, check! lets see what else this dog has to offer....great temperament, great structure, great movement.......ahhhhh, judging just the dog...... * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/19/2012 6:59:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: They can be shown now as you say, but they start off in a regular class WITH A FAULT. Shown in a long coat class, they do NOT start off with a fault, they start off on a level playing field with other dogs of similar type and can therefor be judged on just their conformation ONLY. -----Original Message----- From: Sally <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx> To: helenfranklin520 <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Long Coat Class @ The National They can be shown now so why a special class. I see it as an attempt to make ore money by making a class for a dog with a minor fault. Rather embarrassing Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Long Coat Class: An idea whose time has come! Some of the most magnificent animals Iâ??ve seen were long coats. Kudoâ??s to those who are considering adding them to our Nationals. Without long coats in our breeding programs, we would not have the beautiful plush coats that we have today, but instead we would have all tight coated dogs. We NEED long coats to correct lines lacking coat, but few realize this fact. Look at the Edan bitch, dam of 11 ROM progenyâ?¦need I say more. I would give a BOB to a coat the quality of that bitch without thinking twiceâ?¦we need to see more of them. Helen Franklin =========================================================================== POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and ts administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in ny post. 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