No, it sounds like we need better educated judges that can tell the difference between a very serious fault, a serious fault and a fault. And for everyone to start showing those magnificent long coated GSD's and put their money where their mouth is. Because there are some beautiful long coats out there, I've seen them. I remember Kodachrome....what a bitch! Sharlonna also had a LOVELY coated bitch out of Glass Palace, she showed her in DelMar....she was to die for! * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/19/2012 8:28:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: We need a separate class for long coats because they appear to be very different from regular coated dogs. All breed and most Specialty judges are not used to seeing them and therefor due to the unusual appearance, are unlikely to consider the dogs for an award. However, if the coated dog was in a class with all coated dogs, the judge could then concentrate on structure and movement only and not be distracted by the unusual appearance of one dog to another. I believe that "Muggles" (do see Ann Shultz picture) could easily be a Grand Victrix and I would stand and applaud. Helen Franklin I thought they could be shown at the AKC shows. Why do we need a class for them? Or, should we have a show for long coats and have a Long Coat Victrix? What does a separate class do? I still am looking for an answer. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 6/19/12 3:42:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: Long Coat Class: An idea whose time has come! Some of the most magnificent animals Iâ??ve seen were long coats. Kudoâ??s to those who are considering adding them to our Nationals. Without long coats in our breeding programs, we would not have the beautiful plush coats that we have today, but instead we would have all tight coated dogs. We NEED long coats to correct lines lacking coat, but few realize this fact. Look at the Edan bitch, dam of 11 ROM progenyâ?¦need I say more. I would give a BOB to a coat the quality of that bitch without thinking twiceâ?¦we need to see more of them. ===========================================================================P OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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