Helen, you are so right. But how is a new class going to improve bad judging? Is not the dogs that are at fault. I keep reading about judges putting up dogs with major faults. I think THATS where the problem is, not in the dogs hair. * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/19/2012 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: Sorry Sally, what I was trying to point out was that coats are not shown or they are faulted when shown due to the length of their "hair," and here we are awarding dogs points on a regular basis with very serious faults. I see dogs awarded WD that are dirty going away all the time....dogs bad coming or going is a very serious fault. Yet we fault a long coat and don't show them. A long coat should defeat a dog that is bad going away every day of the week if we are just comparing the two faults only. I don't care about the Germans at all...not two twits. But just maybe they have learned something...who knows? Helen Franklin -----Original Message----- From: Sally <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx> To: Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Long Coat Class @ The National I never said it was a serious fault in fact in my first post i said a minor fault in fact at the large Minneapolis last spring i gave a lovely coated puppy her class but i do not believe they should be singled out and given a special class Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: The standard does not change.... A long coat is a FAULT Oh but I so don't want to get started..................... A VERY SERIOUS FAULT IS.....a fault of gait MEANING...DOGS BAD GOING AND COMING ARE...... VERY SERIOUS FAULTS.....how many dogs do you know that are dirty going away....A VERY SERIOUS FAULT !!!!!!!!! Helen Franklin............ -----Original Message----- From: Sally <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx> To: Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Cc: SHOWGSD-L <SHOWGSD-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:01 pm Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Long Coat Class @ The National Really just because there is a class the standard changes hmmmm Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: They can be shown now as you say, but they start off in a regular class WITH A FAULT. Shown in a long coat class, they do NOT start off with a fault, they start off on a level playing field with other dogs of similar type and can therefor be judged on just their conformation ONLY. -----Original Message----- From: Sally <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx> To: helenfranklin520 <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Long Coat Class @ The National They can be shown now so why a special class. I see it as an attempt to make ore money by making a class for a dog with a minor fault. Rather embarrassing Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Long Coat Class: An idea whose time has come! Some of the most magnificent animals Iâ??ve seen were long coats. Kudoâ??s to those who are considering adding them to our Nationals. Without long coats in our breeding programs, we would not have the beautiful plush coats that we have today, but instead we would have all tight coated dogs. We NEED long coats to correct lines lacking coat, but few realize this fact. Look at the Edan bitch, dam of 11 ROM progenyâ?¦need I say more. I would give a BOB to a coat the quality of that bitch without thinking twiceâ?¦we need to see more of them. Helen Franklin =========================================================================== POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and ts administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in ny post. 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