[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Lance and why he produced
- From: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:33:13 EST
Chuck,
I don't believe I've ever owned a dog didn't come from linebreeding, and
every dog I've owned has gone to Lance as much as anyone else's, yet I haven't
generally had oversized dogs, pale pigment, soft pasterns, straight shoulders,
temperament problems, or even soft ears. Why do you suppose that is? It's
because I bred away from those problems, and any others I could identify. Just
a
note ... I personally didn't put much effort into breeding dark pigment so
I'll give all of the credit for that to breeders who had their hands on the
lines
behind my dogs.
If these problems exist, it is because we breeders allowed them to exist.
Every possible fault that the breed can have has crossed through someone's
control a multitude of times since the breed's beginnings, and even since
Lance's
day. It is a cop out to trace pedigrees in order to find a name to blame
problems on. The point of breeding better dogs is to eliminate faults through
intelligent selection. It is not to seek out a line of perfect animals with
some
false hope of maintaining that perfection. There is a reason for that. There
are no perfect dogs. Even if that perfect dog did exist, exactly who do you
plan to breed it to?
I also submit that the warnings against linebreeding were in fact warnings
against intense inbreeding. If someone is doing intense inbreeding in GSDs
today, I've not met them ... Have you? You discredit Lance's producing ability
by
stating that he was bred to a thousand bitches ... then you seem to ignore
the fact that those thousand bitches gave anywhere from 0 to 100% of their gene
pool to each and every puppy produced with Lance. That is not very scientific
in my opinion. I've seen the "breeding coefficient" formula used in debates
many times, and I assume anyone concerned with Lance's name being behind most
American lines is using that as a base for their opinion. Well ... That
formula is mathematics, and far from scientific fact. It gives absolutely no
consideration to the bitches used with the dog. It gives no consideration at
all
to the randomness in combining gene pools with breeding partners. And ... it
give not even the hint of credence to the most important factor in breeding
dogs .... SELECTION.
I submit that it would be more productive to work from the assumption that
breeders in general are at least attempting to do what breeders do ... breed
for
improvement. In order to do this well, one must weigh one problem against
another while assessing the potential benefits of choosing a specific breeding
pair. Faults like soft pasterns are not merely a cursed familial trait that
will disappear by erasing names from a pedigree because the dog behind the name
may have passed those faults on. The only way soft pasterns will disappear is
through breeder education. Once everyone in the game realizes that soft
pasterns are faulty, and the problem is treated as such by breeders,
exhibitors,
and judges ... only then will the fault be driven away.
Tom Langlitz
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In a message dated 11/28/2005 4:25:49 PM Central Standard Time,
Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx writes:
They warned us in the 50's that linebreeding could produce:oversized dogs,
pale
pigment, soft pasterns, straight shoulders, temperament problems,and soft
ears.
WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What have we suffered thru???????
those problems exactly, and the pasterns have continued to go down further so
we now have the sever problem front and rear!!!
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