What I find so interesting about this Lance etc discussion is the fact that the Germans did not line breed on Axel as they felt there were many problems. They warned us in the 50's that linebreeding could produce:oversized dogs, pale pigment, soft pasterns, straight shoulders, temperament problems,and soft ears. WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What have we suffered thru??????? those problems exactly, and the pasterns have continued to go down further so we now have the sever problem front and rear!!! DAAAAH!...Some times we Americans seem to think we are above anyones warnings...take Iraq for example... The reason Lance produced is the fact that he bred 1000 bitches!!!!!How many champions did he produce...no more than several other dogs. ..around 50!!!!! Chuck Kruger dvm ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================