> Remember that Lance was an out cross, and had a champion sister, Lonnie. > Lance was sired by Fortune of Arbywood who was bred in America and was one > of > the famous Arbywood F litter. Their sire was the imported Troll von > Richterbach. > Well since Troll is my ideal look of a shepherd, I think we should credit him instead of Lance. after all, any dog with Lance in its pedigree therefore has Troll. What type of gait did Troll have? What pluses or faults are he credited with? Deena ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================