Ok, I don't want to start an argument about this, so lets keep it as civil as possible. Please? I keep hearing the word extreme being thrown around. Please explain to me why having an extreme dog is so grand? The newbie honestly wants a good and solid answer about why an "extreme" dog is so great, even if it is "balanced" No where in the GSD standard does it call for an extreme dog, which is why I bring the whole point up. I now know what the angles mean in our breed, but I don't see why so many dogs these days are being described as "angular" Our breed is not supposed to be an angular breed. It's supposed to be smooth lines and curves rather than angles. I know that movement is very very important in our breed. I understand that. I also understand that breeding is not as simple as I am about to make it sound, but if you want better movement, why not take a moderately angulated dog with excellent movement and breed it to a dog whose puppies need improving instead of adding more angles? And please, before you jump on me (or some of you anyway) for "acting like I know it all" I don't. I don't claim to. I honestly don't think that anybody can ever know it all, because we're always finding something new in the breed as far as health, temperament, etc. These are just honest questions from the new kid on the block who wants some answers. - Jackie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================