In a message dated 3/9/11 4:42:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The first German Shepherd Horand v Grafwarth was born in 1895 and was not the result of breeding different breeds. Every GSD person should know this. Jim Barnhart And, what was he the result of? A miracle? He had to come from something, if he was the first. Or, is this a chicken and egg thing. As I understood it, VonStephanitz didn't like the dogs being shown, so he bred two "non-German shepherds" and came up with Horand. Maybe I am wrong, I will go back and read his book. It has been a few years. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================