Sadly Richard It is this very type of thing that is driving not just newcomers from the breed, but long time fanciers. People justify such things by saying "well it isn't against any rule...." and yet the very look of impropriety, and some "connection " between handlers and judges is what is so disturbing, and off - putting. We have gotten so tired of this type of behavior from certain clubs and individuals that we will no longer support clubs that allow/encourage this to go on. We don't support clubs or individuals known to be so cavalier about APPEARANCES of impropriety, esp when it seems to happen to the point we can call who will win , weeks before entries close, under given judges. We don't suggest our clients support them, either. We have seen conflict of interest , here in the states over the last couple of years, with I believe now two judges being barred from judging a National or Futurity for the next four or five years. Perhaps we need to start making more of an issue about it? Or maybe filming and "You tubing" a judge showing a complete lack of either knowledge for the rules, or ethics, might change things.... Perhaps if people think they will be held up to scrutiny by the fancy, or having names published in BIG print in the breed magazines , when they are suspended.....just maybe they will think twice. Until then,these things do go on...and it casts a bad light on the breed and the sport., and it is KILLING entries. Sad to say. Kathy Tank http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com ~or~ http://www.germanshepherdssocal.com PUP-DATED: MAY 6, 2009 Home of: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================