I just have to put my 2 cents worth in on this subject of photo's. Photo's can be very decieving and you will be decieved if you don't understand this. Just grooming can change things. Even the shoulder can look different in a photo than it really is. If you took the same dog stacked and took 5 or 6 different shoots at different angles you could get real big differences. I'd love to see a web site of photo's of different dogs unnamed and lets get our opinions. I think we would be surprised. My Aunna had a beautiful neck but in 1 photo it looked short. It's hard to see the shoulder on a standing dog let alone a photo. The color can make it look good or bad. J.J.s Juanita -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:04 AM To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Has anyone seen this German Dog? In a message dated 12/26/2004 10:32:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: > so i know first hand a photo of a dog can not tell the full story > ************************************************************************ *** > I respectfully disagree, speak for yourself what you can tell of a photo not > > all the rest of us. I think what you see is what you get. Maybe you > cannot > > see it all in the photo but I can as I am sure many others on this > list can > see > it. Sometimes it is all in what you want to see and since you do favor > German Dogs bit time you will probably look at the picture in a clouded > mind. hi Lee how are you? i did speak for myself, i said "i know first hand a photo of a dog can not tell the full story", i will share why... i have living proof my own female as a matter of fact. i have a photo of her and it shows her having a croup, and i know she NEEDS croup.. big time lol another example there is a famous dog in Germany, there is a photo of him on the pedigree site and the pictures shows awful croup... and in person and in his critiques world wide they outright state, "very good croup, very correct placing" and my best friend saw the dog in Germany 3 times and told me specifically the dogs croup was dead on.. because i said "look at that pic, the dog has no croup" well thats when i got my second lecture on dogs and pictures lol actually... maybe if i have the time i will make a few webpages and add anonymous photos of dogs that are top winning and in person where folks have seen these dogs that look much better in person. then see what folks think. i cant commit to this but i can try ;) this is a good learning topic about photos. and i am sure some can look at one photo and see 5 different results too Dawnmarie http://hometown.aol.com/wymargsd/wymargsdupdateyani.html Designs By Dawnmarie - Digital Photography http://hometown.aol.com/designsdawnmarie/home.html ======================================================================== ==== POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ======================================================================== ==== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================