[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: MYCOPLASMA, AGAIN

From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>, Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:47:11 -0600
Stress can cause  immuno-suppresion..it is not auto-immune..immno
suppression can be temporary when a person is ill..at the time of the
illness they may be immno suppressed..it does not mean they will be that
way forever..so don't want to confuse the two Auto-immune does exist..it is
inherited and is more of a problem in our breed than we would like to admit
to. Face it..some dogs are not healthy..some dogs are always
unthrifty..limping for no reason..poor appetites..lack of weight
can..repeated failures to conceive..or they just seem to be lack
luster..often these "little" symptoms are precursors to a bigger problem
that will appear a few years down the road..However..no matter what the
cause..if a dog or person is immno suppressed..it becomes susceptible to
many things that normally would not pose a health problem...I have never
heard of one particular dog affecting 20 bitches I am not saying it isn't
true..I am just saying I have never heard of it..the twenty bitches may
have cultured positive...but I don't know how the cultures were done..they
could have been in some cases cross contaminated.....and I don't know if
perhaps in some of the bitches the presence of a small number of mycoplsama
may have been normal..and I also don't know how many failed to ever
conceive from that point on. Mycoplsama without symptoms..really to me
means nothing..the main symptom being failure to conceive after several
breeding attempts. I live in an area that has quite a few hound
breeders..they don't culture..their dogs are prolific..fertile and
vigorous...they are probably too "ignorant" to know about testing..or
"treating and breeding"..therefore in their"ignorance" they have managed to
avoid some of the pitfalls we now find ourselves in...sometimes ignorance
is bliss  C.Grainger


> [Original Message]
> From: Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>; showgsd-l
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/27/2004 11:57:20 AM
> Subject: Re: MYCOPLASMA, AGAIN
>
>
>
>
> > We have never tested for mycoplasma..and probably won't..I am
confused..why
> > does everyone one act like this is something new?   Mycoplasma has been
> > around since the beginning of dirt..just like some of the other bacteria
> > Cyndi flautt mentioned...we should question why we need to test for
> > it..other breeds don't...so why do some dogs contract it in others
> > not..could it be that we are in denial about auto-immune issues?
>                        **************************
> You're right......it has been around since before dirt along with many
types of
> normal bacterial within the vaginal tract.   What you need to be concerned
> about is the "abnormal" growth of ANY of them.
> MANY years ago we had a proven bitch bred to a stud that infected her and
about
> 20 other bitches with mycoplasma.   Co owner treated her extensively when
we
> found out.   Never could get another litter from her.  It not an auto
immune problem.
> Many reasons cause it to suddently grow out of control, and often some of
the
> reasons IS missuse of antibiotics, stress, constant exposure, etc.  It's
very 
> contagious.
>
> After> all..mycoplasma like some of the other bacteria are
opportunistic...the
> > immune system has to be compromised for it to flourish..so the question
> > would be in my mind..why is it flourishing and why only in some dogs?
> > C.Grainger
>          *************************************************
> Some do manage to "dodge the bullet"  by not having a dog bred to
theirs....or
> kenneled with theirs that has it.   It's just that simple.   Many bitch
owners have
> been stunned to discover they do have a bitch with a high level infection
and
> some have been maiden bitches.
> During the tie the stud is "exposed" to the extreme,  the abnormal
bacteria is
> deeply embedded deep within the dog.......he does not have the usual
natural
> cleansing that the bitch has, but just the opposite......and is more
likely to be
> rendered sterile than the bitch from exposure to some of these abnormal
> bacterial growths....and some can even travel to the kidneys because it
can become
> so deeply embedded.....  plus a stud that is used a lot can be exposed
over and over.
> Other Breeds DO test for it!!   We work with I.C.S.B. who are also Bull
Dog Breeders.
> They don't even want to handle an A.I. or an implant if the bitch has
mycoplasma,
> and don't see any reason to bother with either,  with a bitch with MP as
the bitch
> won't conceive or whelp a healthy litter anyway.
>
> Carolyn  marhaven@xxxxxxx
> www.marhaven.com 
>


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